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Not sure I understand your point? Are you saying that it’s wrong to criticise « the kids » for thieving, killing, burning and terrorising communities if we don’t also criticise the banks? Well we have criticised the banks, and we will continue to criticise the banks, but that won’t stop us also criticising these mindless yobs who care nothing for those around them. This isn’t political, it’s not about jobs, or banks, or fighting to be heard, it’s about thieving and destroying for fun, nothing else so don’t even begin to try to defend the riots or complain about « biased » reporting.
Ditto and ahmen to that………………………………………..its really a case of THE SEDUCTION AND THE RAPE OF THE CONSUMER. Con Rispetto – A xx
Ditto and Amen to that………………….. There are a multitude of issues and reasons that drive people to react as the rioters did. The issues are complex and interwoven in our society, and to brand rioters as ‘mindless’ and ‘feral’ reflects our society and what it has potentially become. Instead of embracing art, education, the community, social dialogue and justice, we are encouraged to compete in a materialistic world where the priority is looking after number one and for economic ‘growth’ for the rich and few. This has resulted in greater inequalities in our society and within the world as a whole. This inbalance needs to be corrected and potentially it is time that a new social and economic model is adopted. The media and authority attempt to uphold capitalism’s injusticies, whilst pointing the finger of blame at the breakdown of the family unit. Although this may have some merit, the society that the media and authorities have created, nurture, and encourage is also a factor which cannot be ignored. Greedy bankers and multinationals, fraudulent politicians, tabloid lies and corrupt police – the lies goes on and on. However in all of this we must not forget the poor families and communities that have lost loved ones. Massimo Rispetto – Brother Augustus (The Seduction and the Rape of the Consumer).
It was very pleasing for me to read this article, partly because I love your music, » What your soul sings » & especially » Everywhen » helped me out of an abyss I was in, some years ago when my life fell apart.
It is also gratifying to see Artists such as yourselves making a stand for those with nothing to lose, againt the stereotypical propaganda that is spewed out by the powers that be. The music industry today seems to follow a very corporate philosophy, with no time for anything except the acclumination of wealth. I applaud your efforts to draw attention to the big time looters, the banks.
This brings me to my extremely long shot. I am member of a blog written by David Malone. He is an author of the book » Debt Generation » & a successful documentary maker, which include » High Anxiety, the mathematics of chaos » He has over the past few years predicted most of the events that have occurred throughout this financial crisis, or as I prefer, what will one day be known as the biggest scam in history. I was attracted to his writings by the strong moral outrage as well as his expertise.
RBS like most banks has never had a proper external audit, even though it is mainly owned by the British taxpayer. The 70 billion or so that was pumped in has been, we think used to mop up some of the toxic debt it was sitting on. RBS can portray themselves as solvent using creative accountancy, without a proper audit, there is no way of calculating the real state of affairs & disclose the real threat to the UK economy. The bailout money is not added to the deficit as this is assumed will be paid back. The value of the shares bought by the British taxpayer is down 50% as we speak, & with the, as I write, the continuing collapse of the worlds banks of which some RBS are exposed to & the destruction of international economies, it seems less & less likely that this money will be ever paid back. Indeed it looks as though they might be looking for more bailouts to support the financial elite & inevitably the cost will be paid by the British public which will as usual hit those at the bottom hardest.
We intend to put together an official petition through the same goverment channels as the current » Bring back Capital Punishment » & » Stop the rioters benefits », which need 100,000 signatories to be considered for debate in Parliament. We are looking for help with this from people with status who the mainstream media might acknowledge. It is my own personal plea that somehow you can, I understand if you cannot, I just think that desperate situations deserve deperation.
I have probably not explained the situation as regards RBS very well, if you are interested please visit David’s blog, for a proper explanation of the situation & if you have the time you can go back in time on it & check that almost everything that has been written there has come to pass, but not necessarily in the right order. Good luck & keep the music coming.
Regards Steve Finney.
The acts of these kids/teens are as violent to me as the way big companies lose money by stupid speculation, then fire hard working people to get a little bit of this money back, and force the governments (thus me and you) to pay for their own mistakes. Our governments should invest time and money in protecting jobs and people, and improving this crazy machine, and not protect the wealthiest (companies) which don’t really care for us. It is not the police that should be sent to these teens, but hope and concrete signs they will do their best to create descent jobs for them.
Very well said. Right across Europe, the amount of money that is being handed over, by tax payers, to pay for the gambling debts of the cocooned and cosseted elite is beyond disgusting.
What is sad is that; the social situation that caused the England riots is going to be severely escalated by them
I totally agree. What I have noticed is that people always exert their power. If they are disempowered politically, economically, educationally and socially, they will exert their power physically.
I’m not justifying it, I’m just explaining it. Things are set up in the UK right now to make this kind of violence inevitable. And current government policy is making that worse. Charities and arts organisations do vital work. If you take their funding away, the work does not get done. If you also cut police funding, there is no one to deal with the consequences. I fully expect to see more of this, unless there is a change of government or a u-turn on policy. I’m hoping for the former.
Spot on! This is a political conflict – it’s the dis-possessed following the example of their elders and taking what they want, screw the consequences. Sad times.
you need a reality check
Ciao! It was very sad. NICOLA
I could not agree more, and I am glad artists are supporting minorities against businesses and capitalist fascism which is becoming the politically correct school of thought. It’s tragic please do not let Britain become a corporate state that has empathy for it’s customers nor its citizens. thank you
This is rubbish.
Although I wholeheartedly agree that banks and big corporations have too much influence and can unrightfully dodge the tax code, this has NOTHING to do with the recent violence in the U.K. Now the arrests have started taking place, it seems a lot of the rioters are not politically motivated, but IPad/Footlocker/Flatscreen Sony motivated. Instead of protesting against capitalism or whatever the hell you and other media are trying to say, they just want their share of it through senseless, abysmal violence and looting. How is a young Malaysian student being beaten up and robbed a subliminal message against capitalism??Many of them are suburban kids that certainly did not grow up in poverty, but just loot and destroy for the fun of it. I am getting sick of people using the recent riots for furthering their own political ideas, whereas there is no ground to do this at all. In my humble opinion, a woman that had her store looted by these « protesters » worded it most correctly by calling them « feral rats ». Keep the tunes coming (Love them!) but think before you write something to apparently justify senseless mob violence that left vulnerable communities broken and people killed.
Your comment is an insult to all those people that are critical to what banks have been doing in the recent past AND are socially and politically engaged in making sure this does not happen again. I would really love to believe that these « kids » had a critical conscience when rioting, but I am afraid they did not. Thus in my opinion your are being too optimisitic in your assesment of what drove these kids. And a bit too simplisitc. Just as it is simple to grab a TV from a rioted store.
Another striking way to view it is that the kids were stealing nike runners and electronic goods all manufactured and legally imported from China, where the workers who make the items are paid on average $100 a month. Thats not even enough money to buy one of the items there hands probably manufacture in 5 minutes. Its all f***ked up at so many levels.
exactly this, absolutely agree!
« Where are the police and what justice is ever done when the mob is dressed in pin stripe » : this is a striking summary of the root of the problem, and I suppose that no justice is to be expected for those robbers, ever… excepted the justice of the street. The only problem is that when the street react, it does it blindly and against innocent people, against « peers ». Never against the people who destroy everything : peoples lives, families, human relations, environment…
I don’t know if you understand French but the French singer Francis Cabrel has a remarkable song called « Les Cardinaux en costume », echoing what you say, in a different manner but speaking of the same people in pin stripe.
More riots are to be expected, I’m afraid, and not only in England.
just because the bankers actions are wrong, it doesn’t and can never justify the actions of rioters and looters. two wrongs don’t make a right
Your comment circles around a sad truth about the different way people respond to social crises but no genuine ‘grievances’ were articulated by amongst those involved in the riots – in fact it was shamefully opportunistic. If there *was* a common cause, how many of them were willing to express themselves in way that might engage the public/goverment positively, or help them achieve anything worthwhile?
If there is any commonality between the bankers and the looters, it’s that they were both driven by little more than unabashed avarice.
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